Twitter Conversation between Janamejayan and Janani on 3 states of Waking, Dream and Deep Sleep.
Janamejayan: U r in essence asking me to explain advaita. It is not a difficult subject tho it may look like one. 1/2
Janamejayan: if u want to know I can teach u but you must promise to persevere & be patient. Can u do that? 2/2
Janamejayan: When u were dreaming u saw a world & persons A, B, C & D. How many persons were in the dream?
Janani: when I dream I see maximum three or four ppl
Janamejayan: so u now get a definition of world as a place where u see people! So go back to my question read twice & reply me!
Janani: @Janamejayan: 4 jee!
Janamejayan: How many people were there in the dream? Count and answer me!
Janamejayan: so u left out the most important person! Who cud it be?
Janamejayan: RIGHT!! So there were 5 people! When u wake up what happened to the world you saw?
Janani: it disappeared!
Janamejayan: What happened to the people inside that dream?
Janani: No idea! May be we are all living a life of our karma!
Janamejayan: See how it is not easy to keep the focus again! 4 people A B C & D also disappeared into nothing except u!! 1/2
Janamejayan: You missed out the important person last time & you missed her again!! 2/2
Janani: its me! I also disappeared in dream. it is me n the other 4. We all disappeared!
Janamejayan: No. The world and people of dream disappeared except you!
Janamejayan: U R the only survivor! The world of your dream & its content vanished when u wake up. 1/2
Janamejayan: you know you, the same you, were there in that dream when u woke up! 2/2Janani: oh ok! Right
Janamejayan: likewise u go into deep sleep. Do u see or know anything?
Janamejayan: U missed you out in the dream world. Now what about this world of deep sleep? Were you there?
Janamejayan: Really? How do u know?
Janani: if birth is there, death is also there!
Janamejayan: No inference please! You enter into deep sleep. In deep sleep u neither know of a world nor even yourself! Is it not a fact?
Janani: yes it is a fact jee
Janamejayan: So u are there in all these three worlds in endless rhythm! When u r in one world u r not aware of the other 2 worlds!
Janani: yes correct
Janamejayan: In this constant sanchaaram of yours into this tripura or 3 worlds, which is permanent & which is temporary?
Janani: These three worlds are what? Is it dream world?
Janamejayan: The 3 worlds of waking, dream & deep sleep!
Janamejayan: Dont use the word ‘soul’, it is just you the real thing that u can attest!
Janamejayan: U never occupy two worlds at the same time. U r in only 1 world at any 1 time & are aware of only that world & no other!
Janamejayan: Ok, i am going to resume my sleep & continue discussion when I wake up. In the meantime u ruminate over what u understood!
Janamejayan: When u r in deep sleep u r neither aware of yourself nor aware of the world of deep sleep. 1/2
Janamejayan: U know u were in deep sleep when u wake up becas of you say u slept happily. U cant have an experience w/o being there! 2/2
Janani: yes right!
Janamejayan: U dont know how u entered the dream-world. U know waking world is awareness but deep sleep is total ignorance. 1/2
Janamejayan: Therefore it is clear u cant get into the dream world w/o first going into
sleep! Door to dream is ignorance!! 2/2
Janani: yes ji
Janamejayan: You exit the dream either by getting back to sleep or by violently crashing into the waking world. So dream has 2 exit doors.
Janamejayan: So it is clear that waking world has 2 entry doors, from sleep or from dream but only 1 exit door ie. deep sleep of ignorance!
Janamejayan: The waking world alone is the world of karma so u have a gross-body with karmendriyas & Gnaanendriyas.
Janamejayan: Who are u? The lowest common denominator is “the one who says I”or simply ahamkaari. But u r never alone w/o manas & buddhi.
Janamejayan: U, the ahamkaari, enter the world of deep sleep along with your manas & buddhi but all 3 entities become dormant there!
Janamejayan: Let us understand manas & buddhi 1st. Manas is vaak devata. She keeps talking 2 u 4 ever of what she sees/knows.
Janani: oh ok
Janamejayan: In order to see/know she must have the light. Manas is self-luminous! Becas Manas is dormant in sleep she doesnt throw light.
Janamejayan: Buddhi is like break-pedal 4 manas. Manas is a pravaaham. It can run amok. So this mind-born buddhi acts as a self-defense
Janani: ok, jee.
Janamejayan: From deep sleep Ahamkaara enters the world of dream & in it only manas comes alive while buddhi continues in dormant state
Janamejayan: There is reason for buddhi not coming alive in dream state which is NOT a world of karma. So buddhi is unneeded in that state.
Janamejayan: Becas manas is alive it throws light & see things in dream. Fruits of past karma are the 1s it sees enjoying & suffering them
Janamejayan: Let me stop here for a moment. Go into my TL re-read them & thoroughly
understand. I will get back to u soon.
Janani: sure jee!
Janamejayan: As I said b4 u r in this endless sanchaara moving through the 3 states of waking, dream & deep sleep.
Janamejayan: When u r in deep sleep u r not aware of a world of waking r the world of dream. It is the same thing when u r in dream world.
Janamejayan: When u r awake the waking world is real. That is how u c it. In the same way when u r in dream world u dont doubt its reality
Janamejayan: King Janaka narrated his experience in his dream to Yagnyawalkya. He said he was defeated by his enemy in a battle. 1/n
Janamejayan: Janaka was trying to escape on a horse that slipped on a slope, broke its leg & died. He was very thirsty. A woman gave 2/n
Janamejayan: him a mud-pot of water and as he was about to drink a crow flew by him & pushed the pot out of his hand. It fell & broke
Janamejayan: So Janaka who is an emperor in his waking time asked Yagnyavalkya which of him is real -the pauper & miserable Janaka of dream
Janamejayan: or the Janaka of the waking time who is the emperor par excellence? If u r
Yagnyavalkya what is your answer?
Janani: he is a emperor, may be in future, it will happen to him! What is in his dream is real
Janamejayan: Yagnyavalkya told Janaka that if the world of dream was unreal then and in the same way his world of waking is also unreal!
Janani: oh ok!
Janamejayan: The 3 worlds are continually negated by u. Each world of dream is a new one unconnected to the prev one. Only the waking 1/n
Janamejayan: World seem to have continuity. While u might think the world exists as real, credit goes to buddhi alone.
Janamejayan: am sleepy. Let me continue later😉
Janani: ok gurujee. Thank you very much. Good night!
Janamejayan: Even tho u visit this world of deep sleep every day & love 2 do so 4 it brings u pleasure, u really know nothing of it!
Janamejayan: The world of deep sleep is a world of ignorance, & is seen to be completely devoid of the knower & the known. 1/2
Janamejayan: But for u who enter it & enjoy its bliss the existence of the world wud never have been known. So u r its witness & enjoyer @jananisri77 2/2
Janamejayan: Always remember u are the ahamkaari, the one who starts with aham or ‘I’ ! Say I am the ahamkaari!
Janamejayan: The difference in anubhava or experience between deep sleep (sushupti) and dream (swapna) is, there is this knower & the known
Janamejayan: The knower is self-luminous. There is no light apart from him (her). What is seen she speaks of. Ur anubhava is completely 1/n
Janamejayan: Dependent on this knower. If she sees something funny u laugh, if she sees
something disturbing u cry & so on. 2/n
Janamejayan: Did u notice that u, ahamkaari is not the knower! N/n
Janani: how jee?
Janamejayan: manas is the knower. U r mere bhoktha (enjoyer, sufferer)!
Janamejayan: In waking state also are there the 2 entities of the dream state viz. u the
ahamkaari & the manas the self-luminous knower.
Janamejayan: In addition there’s this 3rd entity the buddhi who sanctions & forbids what u do becas karma is the nature of waking state.
Janamejayan: u r a boktha in all 3 states, + u r a karmi in waking state. U, the ahamkaari is just these 2 – karmi & bhoktha!
Janani: jee, sitting on the beach sand, reading your deep sleep tweets by seeing deep sea was a great experience for me.
Janamejayan: Who takes u into the deep sleep? because u dont know how u got in there!
Janamejayan: u have no volition to enter & exit any state. It is Easwara’s job.
Janamejayan: In terms of Gunas waking state is Satwik for it is seen and discriminated by the buddhi that is present 1/n
Janamejayan: In Dream state the buddhi is absent with things being indeterminate & out of control and the time itself is warped. Dream is Rajo guna. 2/n
Janamejayan: Deep state is one of complete ignorance. it is Thamo Guna. n/n
Janamejayan: In all 3 states the only one who is present is you where as all other things are present, absent or vanishing.
Janamejayan: You are the permanent entity in all 3 states so u r the reality. All others appear and disappear. They are unreal.
Janamejayan: Please try to read: “Streaming human society” under the article http://hindusoftheworld.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/bhodham-6/ for clarity.
Janamejayan: Deep sleep state is of much interest for you alone is there in it. There is no time or space except you!
Janamejayan: Yet u do not know your own self in Deep Sleep because of ignorance. Just imagine u being alone, devoid of time & space without ignorance!
Janamejayan: In fact breaking this sleep is our effort to liberate ourselves! We can do this only through Vichara!
Janani: jee, I have one doubt I’m ahamkari, I’m made up of manas n buddhi, if manas n buddhi R not there, than who am I ?
Janamejayan: Ahamkaari means one who says I. You are NOT made up of Manas & Buddhi.
Janamejayan: There is one more entity present along with Ahamkaara is Chittham. He never sleeps. He is the record keeper, the memory. ½
Janani: oh ok!
Janamejayan: If it is not for cittham u go into deep sleep of ignorance as Janani but could come out as Nalini! 2/2
Janani: haha ok!
Janamejayan: You as Ahamkari is inseparable with your twin who is Chittam in all 3 states of life. Chittam keeps impressions only called vaasana.
Janamejayan: Chittham senses the name & form of sthoola sareeram when it retuns to waking state. It loses this sense when body is dead.
Janamejayan: Easwara identifies a new sthoola sareeram to chittham at the new birth which it keeps until death.