Janata party chief Dr Subramanian Swamy is called in the media as a “One man demolition army’. Once Swamy gets after some one, he can make life miserable for him. Currently, he is after Home Minister P. Chidambaram over his alleged role in the 2G Spectrum scam. He has submitted lot of documents to back his charges on which the Supreme Court will take a decision shortly.
Asian Tribune Editor K.T. Rajasingham spoke to Dr Swamy on current political issues in India, including the role of Maran brothers in the Aircel sale and the fate of Rajiv Gandhi assassins in death row.
Excerpts from the interview:
Asian Tribune: I was reading a news item that you were preparing to file cases in 2G Spectrum scam against Sonia Gandhi’s son in law Robert Vadra and former Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu M. Karunanidhi?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: No I did not say “attempt.” I said that they are on my list. I have to decide which one of them I have to file first.
Asian Tribune: Do you think that Karunanidhi was also involved in this scam?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Obviously. He has himself said that in public and it was published in the newspapers that whatever his daughter Kanimozhi had done was on his behest. This is in record. Therefore, he has self-incriminated himself.
Asian Tribune: Is there documents available incriminating as that of others?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Well, I never speak unless I have documents.
Asian Tribune: OK. Now I wish to ask you about the Maran brothers – Kalanidhi Maran – the owner of the Sun TV Network and Dayanidhi Maran, former Minister and presently an MP and the grand nephews of DMK patriarch Karunanidhi?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: That is all complete now and it is only a matter of days they will go to jail.
Asian Tribune: Both of them or just Dayanidhi Maran?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Both. No doubt, it will be both of them.
Asian Tribune: What they have done other than the Aircel involvement?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: First of all Dayanidhi Maran misused his office to ensure on Sri Lankan Tamil called Ananda Krishnan born and brought up in Malaysia, He wanted to enter Indian market. So one Indian Tamil Sivasankaran… he has Aircel and wants to have licences. But Maran was not issuing them by putting forward one objection after another. So finally Maran made it clear to him that we will not allow you to do business on one pretext or other…therefore, you better sell it to Max which is owned by Ananda Krishnan. So he sold it. The day he sold it, then all the objections raised against Aircel was withdrawn. Thereafter, Max invested Rs. 600 crores in Sun TV and its affiliates.
Asian Tribune: How can a Sri Lankan origin Malaysian do business in India?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: We are not barring people, foreigners from doing business in India. The factual matter is that his antecedents has not been checked. Our intelligence has information which has to be converted into evidence. The Government has no statement on Ananda Krishnan’s involvement with the LTTE.
Asian Tribune: Do you mean the Sri Lankan Government:
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Yes.
Asian Tribune: But he is not a Sri Lankan for the Sri Lankan Government to make a statement.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Yes ,he is a Sri Lankan, because his father came from Sri Lanka.
Asian Tribune:Yes ,those days, but now he is a Malaysian national.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Yeah he is a Malaysian National but he is also doing business in your country.
Asian Tribune: Yes.. He is having a branch office operation of Aircel and I am not aware of his any other business involvements.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Therefore, it your (Sri Lanka’s) responsibility also to investigate him.
Asian Tribune: You mean to insist that it is Sri Lanka’s responsibility also to investigate him.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: I was told that he laundered the money for KP.
Asian Tribune: Only two days ago I spoke to him.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: You talk to him and make a statement. It will come useful to us in the courts here.
Asian Tribune: If you want to talk to him I will tell him so.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: No ,I don’t want to talk to him. I don’t know when he is telling the truth. He might tell the truth to you people, because he is living in your country.
Asian Tribune: So far no action has been taken against KP in India in the Rajiv Gandhi murder case?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Well (laughing) these are small potatoes. The main man is not … (in audible). Others are making noises. We will .. The Rajiv Gandhi assassination will catch fire after this government goes. It is my view that Sonia Gandhi and LTTE had long time association.
Asian Tribune: What about those three convicts?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Nothing will happen. There is no law supporting them. The High Court with the mob standing out has sought the clarification. Why should you delay. That itself is an interesting question. It will backfire with Vaiko. He was seven years out of the eleven years no ten years with the ruling party. With the ruling coalition. Who is he to talk about the delay? What was he doing for seven years? And Mr. Jethmalani who is his advocate was a Minister for five years or six years.
Asian Tribune: Is one of the convict is Vaiko’s own brother?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Yeah. His brother is not facing death sentence but long sentence.
Asian Tribune: One of the three?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: One of the three is not his brother.
Asian Tribune: About Union Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Well about Chidamparam, I am investigating. He has asked a former Sri Lankan Father Casper or somebody to go and meet Prabhakaran 10 days before … before I think two weeks before his death .. Prabhakaran’s death.
Chidambaram assured Prabhakaran if he signs a piece of paper assuring peace then he has told that Prabhakaran will be assured that he could leave for another country.
Asian Tribune: Did Chidamparam ensured that?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Chidambaram was to send this message through Father Casperz to Prabhakaran.
Asian Tribune: Father Casperz works closely with Kanimozhi. He is her associate you know?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: That’s correct. He received money for his Tamil Maiyam from the Tatas. And from other 2 G Spectrum licensed entities.
Asian Tribune:Do you think Father Casperz is a Sri Lankan?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: He is originally a Sri Lankan. Most of our criminals are originally Sri Lankans.
Asian Tribune: You are incriminating the Sri Lankans?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Well what to do? You crack down on Chandrika’s days. You were all running up and down. Ranil Wickremasinhe was talking to them. You brought these crazy Norwegians. They want to mess up in every other people’s dispute. Why did you entertain them? Now you are not changing the constitution to devolve power to the Tamils.
Asian Tribune: Present Indian Finance Minister has a spat with Chidambaram.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Present Finance Minister Pranab Mukerjee is OK.
Asian Tribune: About that letter from the Finance Ministry?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: There is no letter. This all lose talk of letter. It is an office memorandum. It becomes part of the official file. This was written after consultation and Pranab only allows all communications go out in the name of a director at the Ministry. Even my appointment letter when I became a Minister was signed by a Deputy Director.
Asian Tribune:Then why Sonia Gandhi is stepping in the spat between Chidambaram and Pranab Mukerjee?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Where is she interfering?
Asian Tribune: She has said 2G Spectrum issue has nothing to with Chidambaram and all?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Who said? Did you talk to her?
Asian Tribune: No, it was in the papers.
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: You mean some statements appeared in the papers. But we don’t know who issued it? Unless Sonia Gandhi comes out in the public and addresses the Press, how can one be sure of those alleged statements of Sonia Gandhi? I am not trying to exonerate her. I am of the opinion she is involved in this case. After Chidambaram, I am going to be after her his son- in- law. And it is only a matter days, I will go after her. She got the lion share of the bribe.
Asian Tribune: What is the amount involved as her share. According to you?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: She got somewhere around Rs. 36,000 crores.
Asian Tribune: How exact is your figure?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: I will present these details only to Supreme Court.
Asian Tribune: It was reported that CBI was not interested in your submission?
Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Yeah, Who cares? I am asking the courts and not the CBI. I am accountable to the court.
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